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page is totally devoted to information on towing provided by users on various
Australian boards and of course by email. It only covers Australian A'vanners and mainly
their experiences using certain vehicles. We felt that putting up USA info could
confuse things a little due to different terminology. |
| Bob, g'day. You might remember that some
time ago you gave me heaps of excellent advice when I was shopping for a
digital camera. Although we no longer tow an A'van, I still look forward to
your great e-mag and scan it for anything that might help me with our
pop-top. I continue to be grateful for your astounding efforts, this time
for the Collyn Rivers
article. It's EXCELLENT.
May I please have permission to email it to all my
caravanning (non-A'frame vans) friends with Collyn's name and GM background
on it?
I notice you also write about the Towmaster
hitch. Although we did not have this brand on our A'liner, we have a
Towmaster on our V6 Camry, towing a 1200kg pop-top. We've been all over
Tasmania, Victoria and NSW with it - no other word but outstanding. No sway,
even at occasional highway speeds, no 'pumping' on the tow bar and it really
does transfer weight onto the front wheels in a way that the H-R mini-hitch
did not do with the A'liner. After 20k kms with the Towmaster, I thoroughly
recommend it.
Tony Andrews -
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| I'm thinking of changing my tow vehicle from a 3 litre
Magna to a Subaru 2.5 litre Outback. It has less power and torque than the
Magna and I'm wondering if anyone has experience in using the Outback to
tow an A'liner? The reason I'm contemplating the change is to get away
from front wheel drive to All-Wheel-Drive, but I don't want a heavy 4x4.
don't need one and the ride quality is not acceptable in normal use.
Leigh Youdale (Australia) |
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| I have not had any experience of towing with the 2.5 litre
Outback, but have towed our A'van over the last 18 months with a Forester
GT. The power and torque of the GT is significantly higher than the 2.5L
Outback (130Kw @ 5600 rpm and 245Nm @ 3200 rpm as against 115Kw @ 5600 rpm
and 223 Nm @ 3600 rpm respectively). Current list price of the Forester GT
is around $1,000 more than the Outback, and around $3,500 less than the
Outback Limited. The Forester GT has self levelling rear suspension which
is particularly desirable when towing. To get this feature in the Outback
you would need to buy the Outback Limited. The ride quality is in no way
inferior to the Outback and you certainly have improved all round vision.
I can highly recommend the Forester GT as a tow vehicle for an A'van.
Pam and Keith Thomas (Australia) |
| We too have a Forester and agree with Keith. We would love
the GT! The 2000cc in the Forester is only JUST adequate in hilly country
such as the NSW/Vic border on the coast etc. but unlike the Magna the
Subie motors THRIVE on working hard and are unburstable. We had a Magna a
few vans back and we killed the rear suspension towing (dropped 2') even
though we ALWAYS used a Hayman Reese load leveller from day one. The SELF
LEVELLING suspension works fantastically well. Scroll down this
page and have a look at a fully loaded for holidays A'van and Forester -
it is perfectly level without any aids.
http://www.aroundoz.8m.com/a-newbie.htm.
To find out more about Outback and Foresters you might like to browse
though the messages on http://forums.vmag.com/suvsubaru0201/.
Brendon told us 13% of A'vanners have a Subie - pretty impressive!
WARNING: Owning a Subie INCREASES your yearly mileage as you
come up with any excuse just to drive it! There will be lots of Subies
(including Keith) at Pambula so why not ask around. You will find all
Subie owners are total converts. We have had Volvos and BMW's but the
Forester is the ONLY vehicle we have ever owned that at service time there
is NOTHING extra to be fixed. We are at our third service
and STILL nothing has broken or fallen off or failed to work. Our next
vehicle will be another Subie!!!!!
Best of luck
Bob & Chrissy (Australia) |
| Thanks for the feedback. We also have a Subaru Liberty RX
at the moment and so don't need converting to Sub's. It's a matter of
finding the right one! Can't get to Pambula, alas, it's Jan's birthday and
she had other plans in mind, including a climb on the Sydney Harbour
Bridge.
Leigh Youdale (Australia) |
| I can't see why you are even hesitating. I drive a Camry 6
at work and get to drive my wife's Forester on weekends and whenever I
simply want to go for a drive such as to the bakery or corner store for
milk. Its an absolutely fabulous car and a joy to drive. We have been
pulling an A'van with the standard Forester for over a year now and would
recommend it to anyone. With the additional power of the Outback you will
fly. The all wheel drive capabilities of the car make it really safe to
drive especially if you are in slippery conditions either on the road or
in a camping site. The ride levelling features of the Subaru's are also
excellent as the car stays level under any conditions.
The only problem I think you will have is if you start to load the A'van
up with heavy items. I know of an A'van that has an amazing array of
additional luxuries that would test a V8 4WD so suggest you do not take
along sewing machines, large TV's, a couple ton of wood, heavy duty axe
and splitter, extra water, a huge library of books and reading materials
or extra tenting equipment all at the same time. If you keep extra items
to a minimum (which we don't) you will have no problems whatsoever with an
Outback - half you luck!!!
Siggy and Heather Nowak (Australia) |
| We had a 1999 Outback for our first couple of trips and
have towed the A'liner about 20000 km with it, including into Lawn hill
Nat Park. It is more than adequate for the job, and extremely stable. I've
kept accurate fuel records, and averaged 11.9l litres per 100 km for
towing, compared to 9.0 for the other 30000 km that we had the Subie. I
only changed to a Pajero recently to try out this type with its higher
seating and better approach angle. We intend to go back to an Outback for
retirement (and even more A'vanning) in a few years time. I tend to agree
with the comments that the Forester is also excellent for the purpose, but
I find its back seat a bit small. I just wish the Outback was built to the
boxier Forester shape, then Pajero's and other lesser 4WDs would become
redundant.
Murray Nash (Australia) |
| We have an automatic
Subaru Outback and A-van Series 2000.
Our advice is to get a BIG Transmission
oil cooler and a modification to a standard tow bar to give a 400 mm ground
clearance .That way you can tow safely and ease fuel costs.
Initially without the big oil cooler we had troubles
as transmissions dropped circlips. After modifications the A-van was towed
with three big passengers and heaps of load without problems and over rough
ground. Large 4WDs had trouble, but the Outback constantly went through.
Graeme and Carolyn Tomkins (Australia)
gctomkins@optusnet.com.au |
| Subject: CAMRY AS A TOW VEHICLE 4 AND 6
CYLINDER
I know you collect data on tow vehicles, so thought I would give you
some feedback on my former Camry. It was a 4 cylinder 1999 model
Automatic, and I used it on our Around Oz trip. It towed beautifully and
had ample power (2 litre motor), however, when we got to Queensland we
found the rear suspension had sunk. Took it to Townsville Toyota, and the
Service Manager told me that the suspension on both the 4 and 6 are too
soft and in his opinion were only suitable for carrying three people. Both
he and his Workshop Manager had replaced their Camry springs for the same
size but thicker gauge coil springs fitted by a local branch of a major
spring fitting company, whose name escapes me at the moment.
Although I was covered by warranty, he said that as I was towing, if
they fitted the same Toyota springs, the same thing would happen again, so
they fitted the heavier gauge coil springs (rear only) for me, costing me
only $75, being the difference between the Toyota springs, including
fitting (as they were covered by warranty). No trouble from then on, and
other than no sinking, could not tell any comfort difference in the ride,
even without the A'Van on.
Personally, for anyone looking at the Camry for the standard A'Liner
(without front boot), I would recommend the six cylinder, but with the
replacement springs fitted (the Toyota Manager said my warranty wouldn't
be affected). The reason is for the 4 cylinder, I had to have a
transmission cooler (recommended for automatic towing) fitted prior to my
trip, whereas the 6 cylinder has one as standard, and of course you have
the extra power if you need it, although I didn't find that a problem with
the 4. By the way, I've just remembered, the replacement springs were
Pedders Springs (known throughout Australia).
For info, my current Triton ute 2WD Automatic (2000 model) has a
transmission cooler fitted as standard, no doubt as utes are designed to
carry heavy loads. Mine is a 4 cylinder 2.4, with a fibreglass canopy on
the back, but is very suitable for towing my A'Van and the back gives you
heaps of storage for travelling, which is one of the reasons for buying
it. The other reason is I found with the Camry (as with a lot of sedans)
the seating was too low and the angle gave me leg pains during my longs
hauls, the Triton seats are higher in a more upright position and my legs
don't suffer the leg pains on long distances. For your feedback info,
Kind regards
Vic and Carol Ward |
| Just returned from 17,000 kms towing an A'liner with a 1.6
litre Suzuki Vitara, and usually forgot it was there (due to ease of
towing). Sometimes I'd like a few more herbs under the bonnet, but then
I'd probably have to sacrifice economy. Remember, we have a pretty easy
country for towing - once you are over the Great Divide, the biggest thing
between you and Africa is Mount Canobalas.
Any other Suzi drivers out there? We met a dealer in Perth (Osborne
Park) who sells Suzi's and A'vans, and swears by the Suzi as a towing
vehicle.
Les Walsh (Australia) |
| We just picked up our new Cruiseliner on Friday we are
towing it with a VS Commodore sedan. The draw bar weight is a bit higher
than I expected 124Kg and I would like to fit load levellers. The swing up
jockey wheel looks like it will interfere with the the leveller bars and
there attachment point. I would appreciate any comments on how or if this
is possible and do I really need them.
Regards
Warren and Lee (Australia) |
| Congratulations - a great choice! You didn't mention if the
124kg was LOADED, particularly the boot. Some levellers do
hit the jockey wheel, but there are photos on the site that show single
bars that do miss. (Siggy has a few photos) Best bet in our view is to
contact guru Neil Louer at banl@dingoblue.net.au
(do it quick as Dingo is about to fold!!). Neil uses a Queensland made
anti sway/leveller built into one and swears by it. Sadly the company is
not on the web and there are no good photos on the site. Neil tows with a
Camry which has a lower tongue spec than your Commodore so it does work.
Bob (Australia) |
| I’ve towed a van of 1,600 kg ATM around
25,000 km with an automatic VS Commodore, and around 15,000 km with an
automatic Nissan Pathfinder, and never had a problem except a bit of blow-by
when a serviceman overfilled with oil. Some towing has been through the
Adelaide Hills in 45ºC temperature, in which case I switch the air
conditioning off while going uphill to stop the engine overheating.
Anyway, when towing with just about any automatic, this is what I do:–
Ensure an oil cooler is fitted.
Ensure you don’t drive with the torque converter slipping away (e.g,
into headwinds or up gradients). Don’t use overdrive: use 3rd gear, so
the transmission is in lockup mode.
Change the transmission oil every 20,000 km.
Use Synthetic oil like Castrol Tranzmax Z. (In my Nissan Pathfinder I
use the Nissan-supplied synthetic oil, Matic-D.)
Don’t overfill the transmission oil (better under than over).
If anyone towing with an automatic doesn’t understand torque converter
slippage and lockup, then ask somebody, as it’s most important.
Graham (Australia) |
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Thanks for the April newsletter, which I'm avidly
devouring, We love reading them. Now we feel guilty as we have not paid a
fee to anyone and attend the WA 'meets' and believe we are members. Please
tell us who to pay it to, and which club, is it for the National A'van
club?
We have had our 3c for almost 3 years, and love it! As
retirees it suits our lifestyle perfectly. We tow with a Subaru Outback
and hardly know its there.
Thank you so much for all your efforts, they are much
appreciated.
Kind Regards
Jane and Peter Blades. Denmark. WA.
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| We have an automatic Subaru Outback
and A-van Series 2000.
Our advice is to get a BIG Transmission oil cooler and a
modification to a standard tow bar to give a 400 mm ground clearance .That
way you can tow safely and ease fuel costs.
Initially without the big oil cooler we had troubles as transmissions
dropped circlips. After modifications the A-van was towed with three big
passengers and heaps of load without problems and over rough ground. Large
4WDs had trouble, but the Outback constantly went through.
Graeme and Carolyn Tomkins (Australia) |
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